In a democracy free speech in theory is allowed for all, but not lying. It was predicted, predicated, expected that the Liberal spin doctors would lie and try to put a positive spin to the Gomery report. When the Liberals speak they too often still do tend to lie, to mislead  as many persons now do know, and they even cheat, steal..

 

(Isaiah 5:20 KJV)  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!  (Isa 5:21 KJV)  Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!  (Isa 5:22 KJV)  Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:  (Isa 5:23 KJV)  Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!  (Isa 5:24 KJV)  Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust:

"Justice John Gomery's report on the federal sponsorship scandal vindicates the Conservatives, who have been saying all along the Liberal government is corrupt, Leeds-Grenville MP Gord Brown said Tuesday. However, his Liberal opponent in the next federal election, union leader Bob Eaton, says it's Prime Minister Paul Martin who is actually vindicated."

The Liberals spin doctors, liars do need to get their facts straight  for Paul Martin was vindicated was not the main conclusion of the Gomery report.. rather it was the main fact that the Liberals were corrupt and the ex  PM JC was really  an incompetent manager..

I remind you of this internet poll which refects the truth, priority

POLL Nov 1, 2005 Canada.com
What do you think of the Gomery report's conclusions?
 42.44 % Proves the Liberals are corrupt
 23.26 % A good first step towards criminal charges
 19.77 % No surprises

 14.53 % Martin deserved to be exonerated ( lowest number )

at least 66 or 2/3 thought that issue was unacceptable Corruption.. this number has beem consistent all year now too of how many people do dislike the Liberals.

only about 15 percent thought the issue was Paul Martin.. and still only half of the 30 percent do support him as a good leader, pm and 70 % of the Citizens of canada do not..  and I have said that before to you all too.

"Court cases to keep Gomery findings in public eye, but anger unsustainable Wed Nov 2, 6:00 PM ET OTTAWA (CP) - The federal sponsorship scandal, courtesy of civil and criminal court proceedings, promises to bump along for months or years, now that Justice John Gomery's fact-finding report is on the public record. Public anger, they argue, is more likely to boil over due to a wider perception of Liberal malaise than from the sponsorship-specific simmer of recent months. "Now that the Gomery has indeed confirmed the corruption of the Liberal party . . . ," "

 

Another   spin Doctor has spoken.. but what about the real facts, the personally tarnished reputations of Gomery they will last forever.  The continual false denials of guilt, unrepentance,  further court actions, counter accusation against the other Liberals,and  the Liberal in fighting, will, will next now really hurt the Liberal party even more and will for a long time  rather bring into longer  memory all the bad things the Liberals did under his poor watch..  and  remember how many years now has the anger against the Liberals been sustained in the separatist supported west, and even in separatist supported Quebec for a start? and if the anger has  not been sustained against the Liberals and Jean Chretien now too then why were, are the Liberal Party coffers so empty, bare that they do have to steal? 

 

While  Prime Minister Paul Martin can take some solace in being personally exonerated for now by the Gomery report  he too still can't escape its inevitable fallout which has seen undeniable significant inroads to the BQ in Quebec. Without the reality of Quebec support, the prospects of Martin achieving next a majority government anytime soon are now really dim.

"Now that the Gomery has indeed confirmed the corruption of the Liberal party . . . ,"  and where are the Federal PC's now too? The Liberals did many of the same bad things and what you think they can, will get away with it rather too? dream on...   ever hear of Divorce? that is real sustained anger now too.. history repeats itself.

 Here's what I find really so humorous, ironic, hypocritical, funny about the ill reputed ex PM Jean Chretien

(Job 19:7 KJV)  Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.  (Prov 21:13 KJV)  Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.  (Eccl 9:17 KJV)  The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.

 

JEAN CHRETIEN IS NOW LAUNCHING A COURT ACTION AGAINST THE POOR SELECTIONS OF LAWYERS, JUDGES IN CANADA. Now why did he not do anything about this when he was a Prime Minister, and when I had written and I had complained to him pm@pm.gc.ca McLellan.A@parl.gc.ca ; Cotler.I@parl.gc.ca; even when he was the PM, the Chief Justice Minister and to all of  his useless justice ministers a McLellan included. I have been abused, lied about slandered by lawyers in 3 provinces now since 1982, in Alberta, Ontario, and in Quebec. I have also rightfully complained even to him  about the related poor court judges now too all to no avail. What Jean Chretien still only feels his own pain and no one else's? and selfishly only acts upon his now self interest and not the ordinary citizens of Canada still too? Tell him that I had also I said he will next complain firsthand about the poor medical system in Canada firsthand next too especially when he starts to have medical problems due to all of these unresolved personal negative stress now in his life too. He had a chance to deal adequately with these issues while he was in office, as a PM and he wrongfully did not too.

 

Here further  is what the bad Liberal justice seems to be like in Canada under the present PM Paul Martin now too.  "Equality rights lawyer slams old boys' network  The Ottawa Citizen  Tuesday, November 01, 2005    A respected constitutional lawyer says her bid to become a federal judge was scotched because she "pissed off" prominent Liberal "godfathers" and the old boys' network that runs the legal profession. Mary Eberts, a successful equality rights litigator once seen as a dark-horse contender for the Supreme Court of Canada, urged the Commons subcommittee looking into federal judicial appointment reform to rein in the government's power to appoint partisan friends and financial supporters to the prestigious $219,400-per-annum judgeships. Ms. Eberts and fellow witness Peter Russell, a political scientist and expert on the judiciary, scoffed at the repeated assertions by Justice Minister Irwin Cotler and previous justice ministers that partisan connections play no role in the selection of judges. "I believe that a massive act of hypocrisy sits at the heart of our legal system because of the politicized nature of this process," Ms. Eberts said. "The political nature of the process lies chiefly in the reality that you cannot get through the process without a political mentor or team of mentors." Ms. Eberts said once one of the secretive committees that vet the qualifications of applicants has cleared a lawyer as "recommended" or "highly recommended" for the bench, that lawyer must still have a "political guide" to place that person's name before the regional or provincial patronage "bosses" of the ruling regime. "That person may be an active politician -- provincial or federal -- a retired (politician) or simply a legal 'godfather' with lots of clout because of personal or political ties," she testified. "But if you don't have such help, your name will sit on the list (for two years) until your (positive) clearance expires, and I have seen many fine lawyers get through the first part of the (vetting) process and then sit and wait for an appointment because they have no political mentor." Ms. Eberts argued the bias and lack of transparency and due process in the hiring process for federal judges -- which does not include interviews or give applicants an opportunity to find out their ratings -- "would be condemned ... if it was a hiring process in any other sector." The former governor of Ontario's law society, who has won awards and honorary degrees for her pioneering feminist and equality rights advocacy, said she was turned down by a vetting committee in 1997. "I was not 'recommended' and I never found out why, but I think I know why -- because I pissed off the wrong people" including prominent Liberal godfathers in the legal profession, Ms. Eberts said in an interview. "I felt devastated because at first I thought this is a judgment of my peers ... (but) then I have gradually come to think that it is perhaps more a judgment on the process than on me."  Mr. Russell said he knows merit is not always the major criterion in the appointment of federal judges since a number of lawyers who the federal government appointed were rejected for the provincial bench in Ontario. Mr. Russell is a former chairman of Ontario's provincial advisory committee, which creates binding shortlists of candidates from which the provincial government must choose its judges. He urged MPs to give the federal advisory committees similar clout. "The current committees screen out the worst, but surely you could set your sights a little higher and go for a system that looks for the best people," he suggested." now as we all know the lawyers do not lie.. even about you? right justice minister? for they only lie in the Queen's courts.. unhindered still adding to the perverse Queen's justice system in Canada.

 

As to Jean Chretien's past really bad legacy now exposed and tarnished forever for what it really was.. even his bad pretentious management.. he too has now found out the hard way that  (Prov 22:1 KJV)  A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.  (Eccl 7:1 KJV)  A good name is better than precious ointment;   

 

(Ezek 18:24 KJV)  But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.  (Prov 11:2 KJV)  When pride cometh, then cometh shame:   (Prov 11:3 KJV)  The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.  (Prov 11:4 KJV)  Riches profit not in the day of wrath:    (Prov 11:5 KJV)  The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.  (Prov 11:6 KJV)  The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.  (Prov 13:10 KJV)  Only by pride cometh contention:

 

How long do you really think the public will accept these lying liberal spin doctors.. in real fact there is always a limit, enough is enough.. Clearly also the Canadian  public doesn't seem to be prepared to exonerate Mr. Paul Martin.

 

Not exonerated

Clearly also the Canadian  public doesn't seem to be prepared to exonerate Mr. Paul Martin.

 

"  Friday, November 04, 2005 OTTAWA - Paul Martin's Liberals have plummeted in popularity because of public anger over the Gomery report and would lose an election if a vote were held now, a new poll has found. - Despite Mr. Martin's promise to clean up government, a strong majority (60%) believe the Gomery report will do little to change the way the federal government does business. A majority of Canadians (54%) believe the findings of the Gomery report "show that the Liberal party is fundamentally corrupt and does not deserve to be re-elected." Most voters (53%) rejected the suggestion that because Mr. Martin was "absolved" by Judge Gomery, the sponsorship scandal was unlikely to affect their vote in the next election  "They really don't want to re-elect them under Jean Chretien's leadership or Paul Martin's leadership." The Liberals have suffered some of their biggest losses in the regions where they most need votes. In Quebec, where most of the sponsorship abuses were centred, Liberal support has dropped 13 percentage points; " Canadians look at the idea of the Liberal party itself being named as corrupt .

 

Canada's Liberal PM Paul Martin has not done a successful job of separating himself from the past." Quebeckers skeptical of PM's exoneration Poll shows majority believe Gomery inquiry failed to shed light on all wrongdoing.  In the court of public opinion, Mr. Justice John Gomery's report has raised suspicion in Quebec that the entire story of the sponsorship program has yet to be told. Callers to open-line radio and television shows this week  applauded Judge Gomery's work but did not accept his report's exoneration of Prime Minister Paul Martin's role in the sponsorship program. "I don't think Mr. Martin should have been exonerated. He was a member of cabinet when the program was set up. He was aware of it," said one caller on Radio-Canada's afternoon radio phone-in show. In a straw poll taken by the TVA television network, more than 70 per cent said they didn't believe the Gomery report shed light on all wrongdoing.   The Quebec Justice Minister needs now to review all of this further too.. Like I have said many times 70 percent do oppose PM Paul Martin as well in Quebec too.

There also is a great difference! When the Liberals lobby they cheat, lie , steal and cost the tax payers millions of dollars..

 

" OTTAWA (CP) - The Conservatives attempted to position themselves Friday as a squeaky-clean alternative to the Liberals by promising an overhaul of government ethics as their first act if elected.  Party leader Stephen Harper's proposed legislation would ban corporate donations to political parties, restrict lobbying and hand more power to the auditor general. His announcement came on the heels of Justice John Gomery's report on the sponsorship scandal and a new poll that suggested his party was in a dead heat with the Liberals. Harper told a gathering of his MPs they should leave the party if they plan to replace the Liberals without changing Ottawa's culture. "This exercise will be meaningless unless our government is different," he said. "We must do nothing less than replace the culture of entitlement with the culture of accountability. . . . We are going to change the way government works, not just change colour on the letterhead." As angry as voters have been with the sponsorship scandal, many remain skeptical that the Conservatives would change Ottawa's political culture. Harper's announcement was directed squarely at those voters. His proposed accountability act would: -Set a $1,000 limit on personal donations to a political party, and ban corporate and union donations. "This means no more big interests lobbying the prime minister behind closed doors at $5,000-a-ticket cocktail parties." -Ban cash donations of more than $20. This could halt the common practice of big-money donors funneling thousands in cash contributions through friends, family and associates. -Ban former cabinet ministers, ministerial staffers, or senior public officials from lobbying government for five years. -Require all ministers and senior officials to keep records of their contacts with lobbyists. -Set out penalties that would enforce the Lobbyists Registration Act and make the lobbyists' registrar an officer of Parliament: "Politics will no longer be a stepping stone to a lucrative career lobbying government." -Create a public-appointments commission to set merit-based requirements for appointments to government boards, commissions and agencies. -Broaden the auditor general's role, allowing her not just to investigate government spending but also to follow the money trail to political parties. -Hire a new procurement auditor to monitor government contracts. -Ban trust funds for individual candidates' campaigns. -Establish cash rewards for whistleblowers who expose wrongdoing or save taxpayer dollars.
-Extend the Access to Information Act to cover Crown corporations, and review the current exemption of cabinet secrets from the act.  The Tory announcement triggered furious Liberal counter-attacks in a telling display of how ethics will play a central role in an upcoming election campaign.  The parties spent a good part of the afternoon exchanging accusations about how many lobbyists worked in each other's midst.  The government issued a press release alleging that Harper once worked as an unregistered lobbyist. The Liberals also asked the registrar of lobbyists to examine his former role with the National Citizens' Coalition.  "If Mr. Harper wants to play sheriff, he can start by slapping handcuffs on himself," said  Prime Minister Paul Martin's spokesman, Scott Reid. He said lobbying is legally defined as trying to influence public policy - which Harper did with the NCC.  The Conservatives angrily dismissed the Liberal accusation. Harper tried influencing public policy by writing letters and delivering speeches at the conservative think-tank - not by lobbying ministers over expensive dinners, they said.  And the Conservatives seized on the Public Works Department press release to make yet another allegation about Liberal corruption.  They said that press release played perfectly into their argument that, years after the sponsorship scandal, partisan corruption lives on in Ottawa.  "Why is the government of Canada sending out press releases for the Liberal party?" said Tory spokesman Dimitri Soudas.  "Didn't they read the Gomery (sponsorship scandal) report? Why are Canadian taxpayers paying for a Liberal party press release?"  Harper repeated his promise that a Tory government would sue the Liberal party over the scandal. "

 

So Why is the government of Canada wrongfully sending out press releases for the Liberal party? RSVP

OTTAWA (CP) - Conservative Leader Stephen Harper,  promises  an unprecedented overhaul in Ottawa.  Conservatives will install a culture of accountability in Ottawa.
- He says the first thing he would do as prime minister is introduce a bill to ban corporate and union donations to political parties

- and keep ministers and senior public officials from lobbying government for five years after leaving their post.( MPs and their staff included?)
- Harper would also give more power to offices overseeing lobbyists, the ethics commissioner, information commissioner and auditor general

 

and please what about the better management of all of  the civil and public services, the rightful termination of the poor ones, their bad supervisors now  too?

 

and what about the Civil, public servants, politicians  unacceptably giving contracts, work, jobs to their friends, relatives.

 

What will you do about the existing bad method of selection of Court judges and too often useless commissioners? the existing bad supervisory, bad professional regulating bodies too?

 

and what about the many lawyers who lie in the Queen's courts too? and slander, abuse others?

 

and what will you do about the bad, pretentious RCMP that abuses the tax payers money now as well and does not adequately enforce the laws on all of the civil, public servants, and politicians now too.

 

and what will you do about the mismanaged health systems?

 

What will you all do about the consumer's, citizens rising, high heating oil, gas prices too?

 

and the ongoing major tax evasions in Canada still too?  all for a start.

 

Better management and the Public exposure and prosecutions of all of the guilty persons starting rightfully at the top, next goes down to the bottom as well,  serves everyone's best interest and is continually mandatory for everyone's best and good welfare. All it takes for evil to prosper is for any people to wrongfully do nothing about it.

Speaking about the Conservatives who will install a culture of accountability in Ottawa one of the first concerns that many citizens  they really do want to have is a posting   specially as to how much do each individually,  all of the civil and public servants, politicians  spend on their expenses, food, entertainment, travel, and why do so many of them travel too much too? Who pays for their wives to accompany them in reality now too?

 

How much of the taxpayer's money is specifically being used to buy any alcoholic beverages now too?

 

Why do they have to hire so many part time consultants, special lawyers, special accountants in Ottawa too.

 

"Canada needs a Prime Minister who will lead by example.  We need a Prime Minister who will fix the system rather than defend its beneficiaries. I did not get into politics to get a title or position.  I got into politics to fight for the things I believe in.  As Prime Minister, I will lead by example.  I will begin the process of fixing the system by legislating and enforcing the Federal Accountablity Act –  a specific, detailed and credible plan to clean up government.  This will be the first thing I do. Accountable government.  You deserve nothing less.  Join me and help make it happen. Sincerely,Hon. Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P. Click here to read Stephen Harper’s Federal Accountability Act."

 

There is really something perverse, idiotic about the selection of the Queen's courts judges, the regulation of the too often perverse Judges, lawyers too  in Canada, and their masturbating regulating societies still too. And you do all already do know the useless, immoral Liberal federal Justice Minister wrongfully for a start continue not to  acknowledge any of my mails and that is why Gomery has happened so easily

 

Conservatives will install a culture of accountability in Ottawa. What will you do about the existing bad method of selection of Court judges and too often useless commissioners? the existing bad supervisory, bad professional regulating bodies too? and what about the many lawyers who lie in the Queen's courts too? and slander, abuse others? even you know those types  who wrongfully practice hatred and hate the Christians in Canada now too

 

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>>>   Clearly also the Canadian  public doesn't seem to be prepared to exonerate Mr. Paul Martin.